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Scooter Libby Pardon
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patriot
Jul 03, 2007
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President Bush is correct, Scooter Libby did not deserve to serve any of his prison sentence.


vancam
Jul 03, 2007
2 convinced
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Rebuttal to: supremebeing Show

like this


http://www.ofcom.org.uk/


it works!

 
jjc
Jul 03, 2007
0 convinced
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Yesterday I read a comment on this site to the effect that the FCC should impose huge fines on news outlets that incorrectly report the news. Today I read an argument that indicates that Scooter Libby was pardoned. He wasn't. His sentence was commuted. Bush said publicly that he agreed with the jury, but he felt the judge imposed too heavy of a sentence on him. I, personally, do not think he should have commuted the sentence, but I am for truth in the discussion of what happened and what Bush was trying to achieve. Libby is still a felon, he still has civil fines, and he is still a (somewhat) ruined man.

 
jjc
Jul 03, 2007
0 convinced
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The debate is called "The effect of FOX News on America..." and is under the open debates section. The reason I pointed it out is that another poster on this debate, who I have a lot of respect for his opinions even if I don't agree with him, has posted on. I was really pointing it out to illustrate there is a fine line between incorrect reporting and mis-stating something. In the case of this debate I think whoever set it up unintentionally mis-stated what Bush did for Libby. I would really not like to see the government have enough power to decide who was reporting factually and who wasn't.

 
jjc
Jul 03, 2007
0 convinced
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You have sort of illustrated my point though. If I was a faceless government clerk with an ax to grind I would have singled you out for harsh treatment. I'm certain that you didn't intend to mislead, you just chose the wrong word. It is not, and should not, be up to any government office to determine if the various agencies reporting on it are accurate in that reporting.

Ranging far, far afield from the Libby case... sorry. Just so you know, I think Libby should be in jail. He did wrong and should be punished. I also believe that if there was a case against Rove the prosecutor would have brought it.

 
dirtpatch
Jul 03, 2007
0 convinced
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the is something like that on the web here in the states, but it is not nearly as comprehensive it seems as ofcomm.
http://mediamatters.org

 
donmega
Jul 03, 2007
0 convinced
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What makes the dozens of drug dealers Clinton Pardoned above the law? Libby was not pardoned! His conviction and fines stand. What the president did, was commute the prison term, that is all. Libby was convicted of a procedural crime, that is, in the 47000 times he was asked the same questions, once he answered slightly differently. Richard Armitage, who actually leaked Plame's name/position has never, and in all likelyhood, will never be charged with a crime.

 
donmega
Jul 04, 2007
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It isn't as if President Bush granted pardons to actual TERRORISTS: http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/1999/August/352dag.htm
you know, the way President Clinton did...

 
tggdan3
Jul 05, 2007
0 convinced
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The president can pardon whoever he wants. Libby isn't above the law, the law grants exemption for presidental pardon.

 
lillianfranklin1
Mar 13, 2008
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President Bush and Fox News are both correct. This debate is just a mere test to see if anyone is stupid enough to actually respond...but hey, I responded so it can't be that stupid!

 
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President Bush is wrong, Scooter Libby should have served his sentence.


jonjax71
Jul 04, 2007
2 convinced
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This is the worse abuse of so-called executive powers since Trickee Dickhead Nixon conspired with Clumsy Jerry Ford . Nixon agreed to resign and allow Ford to beome top dog providing Ford would pardon "I am not a crook" Nixon once he assumed the helm..

JJ71

 
dirtpatch
Jul 03, 2007
1 convinced
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he was found guilty by a jury of his peers,, what makes him above the law?


 
patriot
Jul 03, 2007
1 convinced
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I don’t know where you read that post, but I agree with the idea of improving the integrity of news outlets (Let me know where that post was so I can give that individual a convinced-thanks). And, as far as I can tell, Convinceme.net is not a SOURCE of news. So, I don’t think they would be fined. Either way Pardon/Commute, it still shows the level of unaccountability with politicians/government officials these days. Democratic’s and Republican’s both need a good kick in the @$$

 
dirtpatch
Jul 03, 2007
1 convinced
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to add to what patriot said, the person that framed this debate did so using the word pardon, but hen asks if its right or not that libby doesnt have to serve his time, leading me to believe that they know the difference and just made a mistake in the title posting.

 
supremebeing
Jul 03, 2007
1 convinced
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Yea, I did sort of mess that part up. But, I may just be seeing into the future…Tony Snow stated a little while ago that a full pardon is still possible.

 
supremebeing
Jul 03, 2007
1 convinced
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I see your point; about having the government regulating what is fact from fiction…It was just an idea about having someone or something watching over the news providers, insuring that the public is given a minimally tainted product.

 
supremebeing
Jul 03, 2007
1 convinced
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Yes! I should start something like that here in the US...I can't imagine anyone with power and money being against it...

 
dirtpatch
Jul 03, 2007
1 convinced
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cool your jets there hoss, i never said he was pardoned(although in all likely hood he will be).
and your characterization of libbys crimes is a bit lenient.
and the difference is that the people that clinton pardoned is that they had served jail time therefore paying at least some part of their debt to society, and in petitioning for a pardon admitted to their crimes, which is mandatory in showing remorse(im not saying that all were truly remorsefull).

wow, a 250 thousand dollar fine for a millionaire, a millionaire who has about 4 million dollars donated to his defense fund sitting in a bank to pay the fine. that will leave at least a few mill they can use to throw one hell of a party while they laugh about not having to follow the law like the "little guys"
and for the record, perjury and obstruction of justice are not procedural crimes.

 
supremebeing
Jul 05, 2007
1 convinced
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Letting Saudi Arabia and the Bin Laden family “off the hook” can easily be viewed as giving a pardon to terrorists. By giving us the bait and switch with Iraq, he has pardoned those responsible for 9/11. By diverting our attention and our resources, not to mention destroying the United States credibility, he has given the terrorists a pardon.

 
dirtpatch
Jul 04, 2007
0 convinced
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i really dont know why you are spending so much time trying to convince me clinton wasnt a very good president, i already know that. Just because i dont like the bush admin does not mean i liked clintons.
i dont know why youve latched on to me as your "liberal" arch-nemesis.. i'm not. you wont catch me in any hypocricies defending the dems(unlike you with repubs, calling for clinton to be impeached and arrested for obstruction and lying, while acting as an apologist for libby, who was CONVICTED of the same exact crimes.)
just because i have posted rebutals to some of your posts, because of factual errors or logical fallacies, does not make me your enemy.
this site is by means and measure, a debate site, without differing opinion its rendered useless.

 


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