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Would American politics benefit from a tax paid licensed news outlet similar to the BBC. (what improvements on the British system could be made?).
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vancam
Jun 14, 2007
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vancam
Jun 15, 2007
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Rebuttal to: nbcrusader Show

That's the point though, the news in this case would be held legally responsible if it was found to be broadcasting baised information.

 
vancam
Jun 15, 2007
2 convinced
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It has worked in the UK since 1922 and the entire coutnry knows that if they wanted to consume the facts of any situation to become more informed their best bet for unbiased and well researched information is the BBC because of the unique way it is funded.

In my eyes Fox news and MSNBC making a mockery of the American people and the art of journalism and see no signs of getting better. In fact they just get worse and worse, each one pushing the other to a higher degree of partisanship and essentially becoming propoganda channels that 'tell' people what to think rather than 'inform' people what it is currently thought.



 
vancam
Jun 15, 2007
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It hasn't in the UK. It might in the US. Depends on how competently it is handled I guess....

 
richboy
Jun 17, 2007
1 convinced
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When I lived in the UK the one thing I wanted to bring home with me was the BBC. It is a more informative and globally targeted news broadcast than anything we have here.

 
vancam
Jun 14, 2007
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As a Brit living in the States I can see a clear benefit to american politics in the general electorate (the people) have a non bias news outlet that was funded by tax payers and subsequently had a responsibility to report the news fairly and in a non partisan way.

 
vancam
Jun 16, 2007
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The point is that it would not be for one person to define something as bias or not. If a large portion of the people in the UK write in to complain to the television watchdog OFFCOM then they investigate and decide whether or not to take a case to court or not.

I think the problem you have here is that the floodgates have already been opened for this sort of propoganda based rubbish that spews out and it would be incredibly hard to close them again.

 
richboy
Jun 17, 2007
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I think you are right. This isn't a debate that I started thinking I would lose, it seemed like a "no brainer" to me. But you have absolutely convinced me on this one Gogopoet.

What a shame.

 
vancam
Jun 18, 2007
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By using a governing body similar to OFFCOM in the UK. If OFFCOM found any political influence within the BBC they could make it a legal matter.



 
vancam
Jun 19, 2007
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Rebuttal to: gogopoet Show

sorry i spelled it wrong the first time. Here is a link to their homepage.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/

and here is the Wiki on it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofcom

It is a new organization but you can already see their effectivness. Prior to Ofcom there were individual bodies that dealt with broadcasting that were equally effective.

The essential ingrediant is that If a customer complains then IT will be investigated.


 
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gogopoet
Jun 15, 2007
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Until Reagan's administration commercial broadcasters were REQUIRED to present news as a public service in exchange for their use of the public airwaves. While that was in force, commercial broadcasters were not concerned with ratings or the advertising dollars that go with them. They simply presented good old fashioned reports about important events. Now it's not news, it's entertainment. We would do well to reinstate the teeth in the public service clause of the broadcaster's licenses. And we should engender an expansion of broadcasters by breaking up monopolies whereever they exist.

 
gogopoet
Jun 16, 2007
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Rebuttal to: vancam Show

The current adminstration on this side of The Pond has already demonstrated why a government funded news broadcast would not work here. Our government is too prone to using the purse strings to force bias in what is broadcast, eg; the scandal over the PBS plans to air a children's program which presents gay families as a reality. The program was not aired because of threats from the Administration.

 
nbcrusader
Jun 15, 2007
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We already have federally subsidized news outlets. For news with a solid liberal slant, listen to NPR.

 
reezer
Jun 15, 2007
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We already have them: NPR and PBS

 
nbcrusader
Jun 15, 2007
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Rebuttal to: vancam Show

How do you define bias? For decades, there have been studies showing a liberal bias in the US media - and many still believe it does not exist (though they will point to Fox News in a heartbeat).

Bias is largely a matter of perspective. Liberal in the US is centrist in other countries.

It would be difficult, if not impossible, to establish a legally binding standard for bias.

 
fangers
Jun 15, 2007
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Wouldn't that also lead to government based censorship, and the government abrogation of the right to free speech and the free press?

 
gogopoet
Jun 18, 2007
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How could it be set up in the US to prevent political influence?

 
gogopoet
Jun 18, 2007
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Rebuttal to: vancam Show

What is OFFCOM and how, in general, does it work? You've tweaked my curiosity since corporate capitalists can't be trusted to present the news any more reliably than the US government can be trusted.

 
gogopoet
Jun 19, 2007
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Rebuttal to: vancam Show

I looked at the Wiki report and see that the agency looks promising but I doubt it would work effectively in the US. Here these types of agencies tend to be set up to promote as well as regulate and/or they are run by the very people they are supposed to watch.

 
patron
Jul 31, 2008
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Gov't funded news is always a bad idea. A Gov't that controls the press, is a Gov't that controls its people, and not a Gov't controlled by the people.

 


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