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Dereksemeraro is mirroring an early Hitler
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rolanderikson
May 15, 2007
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rhys
May 16, 2007
2 convinced
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you guys are makeing some scarey generalisations about Hitler. You all seem to think he was this horrible person? granted, he did some pretty mean things in his time, but he also benefited society in MANY ways. for instance, without Hitler i wouldn't have my little convertible VW beetle to drive around!

 
henthorn
May 16, 2007
2 convinced
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It occours to me that the only reason this debate exists is because of two viewpoints that derek has voiced over the last couple of days; namely that 'mentally deficient' people aren't worth keeping alive, and that it is better to kill one person to save 5 others who are dying.

As to the first (the mentally deficient people), it is a perfectly valid point that near vegetables might not be worth the money and time needed to keep them alive. Personally, I don't support it, on the grounds that it puts the isue of morailty and life-worth in the hands of the law and a set of rules, which will never have the emotion and intellectual flexibility of humans themselves. Basically, for the same reasons that relitaves should have control over life support machines, and not the establishment.
Derek's opinion here does seem to be remeniscent of Hitler's policy of doing away with the deficient and disabled, in order to cleanse the aryan race from what he saw as inferior people. In Hitler's case however, this was taken far further than what would essentially be turning off a life support machine.

The second debate, in which Derek sugested it was morally justifiable to kill one person to save five dying people is, of course, a conundrum that has occupied philosophers for thousands of years. What is particularly interesting about this version of it, is that you have the chance to offer yourself for the transplant, rather than having to subject someone else to it. Personally, I say that if you feel that it's a perfectly reasonable course of action, offer yourself for death and donorship, but don't force someone else to do it.
In terms of Hitler's stance on this problem, it is likely he would have taken the same viewpooint, but with more specific restraints on who should be killed and who should be saved - namely the 'inferior' races or people should be killed to save the perfect aryan race. Again, this would probably be taken a step further, and even the life of one aryan would be worth the death of an inferior person to save them.

In short, it seems that whilst many of dereks ideas to seem to tally with the early Hitler's, the motives are very different, and the moral intentions even more so.

(Before you start flaming me, I haven't voted; if anything I'm putting forward my view on what the debate starter meant by this debate. I have no wish to discredit or denounce derek, but I am eager to see that the issues raised are not being obscured by meaningless complaining and fighting.)

 
cancerfish
May 15, 2007
1 convinced
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I'm pretty sure he said he wanted to go to art school.

 
brivapor
May 15, 2007
1 convinced
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yes derrikshameio is a want to be important thug

he is just an impotent e-thug though

 
henthorn
May 16, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: dereksemeraro Show

1) I wasn't trying to insult you, I made a very pointed comment about that at the end. What I did was demonstrate how some of your ideas are parralel with Hitler's, but only by virtue of an opinion which has very different motives for its conception; clearly you don't want to commit genocide, but Hitler used similar thinking to justify his convictions. I don't like gun liberation, but does that make me a potential tyrant wanting to quash any form of rebellion from my people? Of course not - just because I share ideas with one particular group or person does not mean I share motives or intentions.

2) Five people dying is never good, but neither is murder. However, I ask again, are you volunteering? That would remove the moral problem completely, since you would have decided these 5 people combined were worth more than your life, and would not have been murdered but have chosen.

 
dereksemeraro
May 16, 2007
0 convinced
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Just read the completive debate based on this, if you want a true walk through of my philosophies to show I am nothing like the tyrant.

 
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tggdan3
May 15, 2007
5 convinced
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Whatver. Give the guy a break.

 
silverfire
May 15, 2007
4 convinced
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This is a waste of space - everything you guys (in the opposite column over there) are complaining about with "old" derek, is the same thing you're embodying by creating meaningless malicious debates, with pointlessly irksome dogmatic appeals.

Grow up. This whole ordeal should have been more transitory then it actually was.

 
unlabled00
May 15, 2007
3 convinced
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Hasn't this whole issue grown a little old?

 
djkk
May 16, 2007
2 convinced
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rebuttal to henthorn:

many philosophers share utilitarian views, and it does not conclude that they will turn evil. (for example, scruton also believed that severely senile people can be killed.) there may be grounds to criticize the theory, but no grounds to argue that the person is like hitler.

 
dereksemeraro
May 15, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: cancerfish Show

I'm pretty sure your making crap up about me. Want to know why, imbecile? Because I am terrible with building things, painting, drawing etc. I have no desire to be an artist. Tggdan is the only person with the maturity to understand my process of thoughts, I give him a lot for that.

I am nothing like the tyrant Hitler. I have inflicted pain on NOBODY and do not condone it.

Convinces to those who had supported me.

 
dereksemeraro
May 15, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: brivapor Show

Where is your proof? I didn't think so. Shut it.

 
dereksemeraro
May 16, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: henthorn Show

1) Would you go to the length of writing a 200+ essay just to insult me? You need to grow up.

2) Since when is 5 people dyingg better than one person dying.

 
inspiration
May 16, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: brivapor Show

Get a hobby and stop insulting the guy.

 


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