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Should the history of the Bible be included as a preamble in future editions?
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jonjax71
May 24, 2012
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Yes, full disclosure should be included


jonjax71
May 24, 2012
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I'd like to see future editions of Bibles include a full disclosure statement that what is contained has been edited. That there are many gospels mising, that several times in the single digit centuries there have been ecumenical councils starting with the father of chrsitianity, Constanople, who have edited the Bible, eliminated gospels and have changed texts to suit the needs of the powers that be at the time and to rid themsleves of any contradictions and or statements that may questions the doctrines and teachings of the church

 
jonjax71
May 25, 2012
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Which is the "true bible" as there are and have been many editions?

 
bnachilles
May 26, 2012
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You realise that when the bible was formed it was revised even in its very founding right? They didn't include all of what people said, so it was incomplete to begin with.

 
bnachilles
May 27, 2012
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Some of God's word isn't good enough then?


 
bnachilles
May 28, 2012
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So you agree then that your idea of the bible is better than some of those who should've had a part in founding it? Bit selfish minded isn't it? Considering you wrote nothing? How do you claim to know Gods thoughts if you exclude some of his teachings in the first place?

 
jonjax71
May 29, 2012
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There are several Christian bibles, the Latter Days Saints, Jehovah Witness, King James et all are variations of a theme, which is the true one?

 
bnachilles
May 30, 2012
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"The important there is that, the Bible ( The True Christian Bible ) shall NOT BE REVISED in order that it will not mislead many. :) And I do believe that God will not allow that to happen". Yet you go on to say all of the books are true.

How can there be a true book which is the unalterable word of God as you say, and then say that other versions of the bible are all true? Then you're agreeing with me; it was wrong to not include the other writings that others wrote at the time of the founding of the bible because it was God's word and in your thinking the word of God should be included.

OR you are confused and have a weak position. I'm betting on the latter.

 
sandifromlargo
May 30, 2012
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What exactly do you believe is the "TRUE BIBLE? What was written 3500 years ago, and added to until around 95 AD? Or the NIV which was written in the 1960's?

Below is an article written by a Wycliffe Bible Translator/Scholar regarding the two.


When was the Bible written?

The Bible was not written in one specific year or in a single location. The Bible is a collection of writings, and the earliest ones were set down nearly 3500 years ago. So let's start at the beginning of this fascinating story.

The first five books of the Bible are attributed to Moses and are commonly called the Pentateuch (literally "five scrolls").

Moses lived between 1500 and 1300 BC, though he recounts events in the first eleven chapters of the Bible that occurred long before his time (such as the creation and the flood).

These earliest accounts were handed on from generation to generation in songs, narratives, and poetry.

In those early societies there was no writing as yet and people passed on these oral accounts with great detail and accuracy.

The earliest writing began when symbols were scratched or pressed on clay tablets. The Egyptians refined this technique and developed an early form of writing known as hieroglyphics. The Bible tells us that Moses was "educated in all the learning of the Egyptians", so he would have been familiar with the major writing systems of his time. We also read that God gave Moses "two tablets of the Testimony, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God"(Exodus 31:18). All this leads to the conclusion that the earliest writings in the Bible were set down around 1400 BC.

The writings of the thirty or so other contributors to the Old Testament span a thousand years! They recount the times and messages from Moses' successor, Joshua, to the last of the Old Testament prophets, Malachi, who wrote his little tract around 450 BC.

Then there is a 500-year period when no writings were contributed to the Bible. This is the period between the testaments, when Alexander the Great conquered much of the world and when the Greek language was introduced to the Hebrews. Indeed, they began to use Greek so much that the Hebrew language was replaced by Greek and by another language, Aramaic, which was spoken all over that area of the world at that time.

The New Testament was written during a much shorter period, i.e. during the last half of the first century AD.

It was the coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, which ignited the flame that produced the New Testament, as the new faith swept across the Near East and then westward to Greece and on to Rome.

Half of the New Testament books were contributed by one man, the Apostle Paul, in the epistles he sent to groups of new Christians and to his assistants Timothy and Titus.

The Bible closes with a majestic book of visions and dramatic views of the future. It was penned by the aged Apostle John around 95 AD and describes the new heaven and the new earth when God's kingdom will embrace the universe and all rebellion and death will be a thing of the past.

In looking at all these dates, the important thing to remember is that when the Bible was written is not as important as what was written. However, the when is important also as we sense how God's presence persisted through the centuries and gave us "in the fullness of time" the full-orbed revelation of salvation and hope through his son Jesus Christ.





The Committee on Bible Translation (CBT) was commissioned by a broad, evangelical coalition in the 1960’s. It’s goal was to allow Bible readers to see as much of the form and structure of the original languages as possible, while at the same time making the meaning of the Bible clear in modern English. The latest edition of the NIV Bible represents the fruit of this constant quest for accuracy, clarity and beauty.

 
jonjax71
May 30, 2012
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You are as confusing as the Bible, you state that the Christian bible is the true Bible, then that all the versions are true just written differently, Then you go on and say that Christianity is divided and that perhaps Latter Day Daints and jehovah Witness, which is part of Christiandom may not be true bibles, then you close out by saying the NIV version is one of the most reliable.

There's not a single definitive response in your replies

 
bnachilles
Jun 16, 2012
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"Let us call it true Christianity" and then from that premise that you just called true Christianity (which no one else did) you then go on to say how your version of Christianity is the true Christianity.

What about the gospels which weren't allowed in the Bible? You haven't addressed this and you are extremely arrogant if you think that your particular faith that you've stumbled upon is somehow better than the thousands of others created over mankind's history.

I do understand your explanation, albeit a flawed, illogical and deluded one.

 
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No, it has functioned well for centuries as is, why change now


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The TRUE BIBLE is always CONSTANT, and even if you "Revised" it, for sure, the TRUE BIBLE will still STAND. That's why you don't need to change it.

 
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The Christian Bible is the True Bible. Even though it has many versions like NIV, it is NOT REVISED.

 
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It has a purpose of why they did not include other people's book. The important here is that it is the True Bible since others seemed to revised it.

 
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No. :) In fact, only people change God's Word. That's why the Bible sometimes change its thoughts. They usually add unnecessary books, or remove some books of the Bible, others changes the thoughts of the Scriptures that's why the thought of the Bible is changed. Uhmm... Every revised part of the Bible does not come from God, that's why it is not good. :) Praise God! He preserved His Original Bible so that people will not be "lost" because of the revised versions. ( If all the Bible is revised into many thoughts, I think, it is hard to trust it anymore since some of its thoughts are from man, not from God. ) :)

 
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It is not a matter of selfishness. God has a "purpose" of why not including some of the books. The important there is that, the Bible ( The True Christian Bible ) shall NOT BE REVISED in order that it will not mislead many. :) And I do believe that God will not allow that to happen.

God bless bro! :D

 
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Yes, there are a lot of them, and they are ALL TRUE. :) How, they just DIFFER FROM HOW THEY WERE WRITTEN but THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ALL THE SAME. I cannot give you an example of a "revised bible" out of respect for those people who follow it. I just don't know if "The Latter Days Saints" and "Jehovah Witness" are considered to be a "True Bible". By the way, before you get confused, remember, Christianity is divided into Catholicism, Protestantism, and all the like. From that, the Original Bible were revised. Anyway, to give you one of the MOST RELIABLE BIBLE ( True Bible ), it is the "New International Version" or the NIV.

God bless bro! :D

 
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Ok, here it goes: The Christianity which Jesus established, let us call it "True Christianity". This possesses the "True Bible". Time pass, it was diverged into many sects and beliefs. After the "True Christianity" was diverged, the "True Bible" was also revised into many ways. Now, the question is, which sect holds the "True Christianity" and which is the "True Bible"? By the way, the "True Christianity" holds the "True Bible", so knowing the "True Christianity" will help you know the "True Bible" or vice versa. I hope you understand my explanation. God bless! :D

 


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