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Superman vs. Batman

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Jan 11, 2007
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Flying: check, Lasers: check, Can Lift trains: check



Wilbur

Jan 18, 2007
7 convinced
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Look, voting for Batman against Superman is like voting for George Mason to take the NCAA championship last year just because they made the Sweet Sixteen - you just want to root for the underdog... You are not voting FOR Batman, you are voting AGAINST Superman, aka the "Yankees" of Superheroes. Not Cool.

Besides, what is this "ninjitsu" crap about Batman, let's not turn this into some sort of rehash of the Ninja-Pirate debate. This is not about martial arts, dude. This is about the fact that yes, Superman has laserbeam eyes, and yes, those laserbeam eyes would cut Batman in half.



 

lordofundead

Jan 19, 2007
15 convinced
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lets compare the abilities of these two heroes: Superman: Superhuman strength, speed, stamina, invulnerability, freezing breath, super hearing, multiple extrasensory and vision powers, intelligence, longevity, flight, and regeneration. Batman: Genius-level intelligence, master detective, peak human physical condition, martial arts master, escapologist, access to high tech equipment. hmmm....we'll assume batman is partially smarter then superman to make everyone happy, but from there superman has every single advantage. and as for Kryptonite, all it would take is to incorporate lead into his costume. wouldnt be too hard for him.

 

Wilbur

Jan 22, 2007
3 convinced
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Rebuttal to: king

Touche - Superman has trouble "going to the mattresses" if you will, in terms of not off-ing his opponents. But Batman is the same way - see Batman Begins.

But the fact remains, that if you had a Cage Match - ONLY ONE MAN LEAVES ALIVE - that man would be SUPERMAN, NOT BATMAN.

 

ekiosity

Jan 25, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: king

It's not crazy that Batman would win. If he's such a super genius, he'd definitely bring some kryptonite. My 3 year old could beat Superman with some kryptonite.

 

Jordan

Jan 26, 2007
3 convinced
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The kryptonite argument is weak. If Batman shows up with kryptonite it would probably be the ten-jillionth time Superman has faced a highly skilled foe with a stick of kriptonite up his sleeve. Batman would be the ten-jillion and first dude to get his plow cleaned by the Man of Steel. Is Batman cooler? Definitely. But Superman is just plain cannot be beat..

 

coops

Feb 01, 2007
1 convinced
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Batman is a sad millionaire with a costume fetish.
Superman is an alien with super powers.
nuff said.

 

noir

Feb 01, 2007
2 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Tempest

Puhleeze. Batman wrote the book on gayness. Ya think he dressed Robin in short shorts for better flexibility?

Admittedly, Superman's costume is a bit clashing and unfabulous, but give him a break--he's an alien.

Incidentally, Superman was created by Jews, not the Nazis.

And even though Batman would be more fun to kick it with, he's pretty powerless when it comes down to it. In a VS. Battle, Batman represents the common man making something of himself, whereas Superman represents the landed elite, the Man. And we all know, no matter how much we wish it could be otherwise, the Man always wins.

 

tranjsaic

Feb 01, 2007
4 convinced
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This argument is bs, its like comparing a pinto vs a lambo. With all the abilities Superman has there is no possible way Batman would win in a real life fight. First of all the major argument everyone is having is Batman will win because he has krytopnite on his side, that is complete BS. All superman has to do is use his super xray vision to view if any potential attackers has a hidden stash of krytopnite. If some unlucky villian does have it on him, he could use one of his numerous abilities to neutralize the problem from hundreds of yards away.

 

loxias

Feb 01, 2007
2 convinced
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People, read the title
It doesnt say batman with kryptonite, it says Batman Vs Superman
So we exclude krypton, what can batman possibly do to harm supermen??
Punch him? Hit him with his car?

Again batman is cooler but he cant beat supermen, with kryptonite maybe but debate is Superman Vs Batman, not Batman with kryptonite belt or some sh*t

 

syntek

Feb 01, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: aximusoo

Superman's outfit and Clark Kent's dorkiness reflect the fact that he is a man of substance and not a man of pomp and circumstance.

Bruce Wayne has to compensate for having no super-powers with his money and appeal.

Superman's appeal is that he can kick anyone's ass. Last time I checked, Batman is in the "anyone" category.

 

syntek

Feb 01, 2007
2 convinced
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Rebuttal to: aximusoo

Let's not forget the fact that Superman has faced many opponents who have tried to exploit his weakness to Kryptonite.

Ask them how that turned out.

 

Kryptinite

Feb 01, 2007
2 convinced
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This is the simple point: If Batman was like, "Yo Superman, I want to fight you to the death." Superman would be like, "When and where?" After knowing this information, Superman would be aware of such a Krypton ring, bullet, or knife and just fly at supersonic speed, through Batman's chest. Game over. Batman is dead.

 

Xell

Feb 01, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Tempest

Being cool wins? Maybe Batman has the on that side of the argument, but an all out fight would show Superman triumphant.

Hands down win to Superman.... Oh and Arians were said to have blond hair.

 

rakker

Feb 01, 2007
1 convinced
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It disturbs me to see all this Superman hate. He's boring, you say!? Then here's what you need to know:

Superman is the superhero of superheroes.

A good comic writer sometimes catches the majesty that Supes carries. Superman just has to stand there, just stand there, huge and blue, with his angry, glowing eyes, and other heroes will become tongue tied. Lesser villians will just stop fighting. It doesn't matter what's going on; alien invasion, 100 foot monsters...when you see that blue streak tear through the air, you breathe a sigh of relief and think, "the big guy is here." You may hate him, but I love him for that sheer power and majesty. I just gotta pay my respects.

In terms of battling, yes, Batman can outstrategize Supes in a heartbeat. But superman can move very quickly, and if it came to it (the argument that he wouldn't is moot--if it came to it--) superman could just fly through him from anywhere in the world. If it came to it, there would be no fight. Batman, for all his brains, could be evaporated from the moon.

 

soup

Feb 01, 2007
1 convinced
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Two simple facts will unravel the two weak arguments made by Superman haters.

First and foremost, Superman IS Superman. He pretends to be Clark Kent, a bumbling reporter, not just to fit in, but to rule out any possibility to super villains that Superman is living as a mortal among humans. To date, his true identity has never been ascertained by said super villains, only revealed willingly. Superman's real identity is, well, Superman.

Bruce Wayne IS Bruce Wayne. At night? He pretends to be a giant bat that wreaks . . . vengeance. The motives are impossibly shaky, gray, and impure. Fueled by deep, dark, and complex motives, he is forced to continue putting on a bat suit, arraying himself with gadgets he has invented, and exacting his own form of vigilante justice. Sounds a bit crazy put this way, no? I can hear Dr. Phil now: "You dress up as a bat at night, Bruce! A bat!" Batman's real identity is Bruce Wayne. Quit pretending to be something you aren't.

Secondly, now overlooked and ignored, according to the most recent Superman revisionist history (yes, post-Superman Returns), HE IS NOW IMMUNE TO KRYPTONITE. This is due to his now prolonged exposure to solar rays. That's right, the Man of Steel has developed an immunity to all kryptonite, save for impossibly obtained forms of kryptonite colors the comic book histories have never revealed. The old standard, green kryptonite, couldn't do it to the modern Superman. He'd just laser that cute little utility belt right off and that would be that. If you read the comics, you'd know this. I understand it's a shock to the unknowing public, but do a little research and prove me right.

So when it comes to cool, Bats is pretending to be something he isn't. And when it comes to kryptonite, Superman's immune.

I don't think that leaves much for Bats.

 

atomic1fire

Feb 01, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: monkee

Batman has intellegence and kung fu as well as lots of money
superman has outdated tights with some superpowers he has to recharge by the sun
nuff said

 

dvilledebater

Feb 01, 2007
1 convinced
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Ok first of all I am a Batman fan any day but when we look at these two Heroes(I don't use Superheroes because batman isnt a Superhero.)

First off, I know Supeman would lose the popularity contest but thats not what we are voting on we are voting on who would win in a battle between these two heroes.

Secondly, Batman is not a Super Hero, he has no Super Powers and thus can only be classified as Hero not a Super Hero which is why I like him more because he is an average person with average person weaknesses while Superman is a Super Hero with amazing abilities.

Now third we can see since Superman has Super powers and had overcome his weakness of kryptonite so many freakin times that he would beat the average hero that is Batman.

I love Batman so much more than Superman but the victore in this Battle is clearly Superman, which kills me to death to admit.

 

sabrejimmy

Feb 01, 2007
1 convinced
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The only reason Batman always survives is because he is put in situations which he can overcome with a utility belt and some wings

Superman on the other hand has actual - super - powers

Batman could never face the obstacles Superman encounters




 

avinashvarma

Feb 02, 2007
1 convinced
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Superman is the greatest superhero. He can do almost anythng. No matter whatever people say about him, He is my favourite superhero.......

 

aquazero

Feb 03, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Tempest

Le's be honest....
Superman did go out with Lois Lane on a few dates while without his cape he is a loving husband....

Did batman did have a thing fo catwoman but most of the time he would hang out with boy wonder.
Bruce wayne never did got married.

Whose's gay now...

 

apolloandi

Feb 03, 2007
1 convinced
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so yeah, batman could just have a kryptonite belt but then superman just has to pick up the nearest train, fly within a couple miles of batmans location and throw it at him

 

amqcw

Feb 03, 2007
1 convinced
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Alright...Forget about the popularity contests, and focus on the statistics here. The contest isn't weather Bruce Wayne is cool and Clark Kent isn't or whose costume is better. And while you think Clark is a bumbling idiot and can't ask out Lois Lane, they did get married years ago (I forget the date, but sometime in the mid 90s). Being better isn't about how many women you can get into bed. Bruce, anyway, only has eyes for Selina. It is about who would win in a physical fight.
Can the kryptonite argument because that doesn't fly anymore; someone else already pointed out that Superman is immune to kryptonite. Don't forget that Batman had his back broken by Bane...yes a huge ordeal to overcome, but Superman did die and come back from the dead. Don't think Batman could do that.
Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns is an alternate, futuristic universe. So, while he may own Superman then, focus on the current DC Universe. Given no time to prepare at all...if someone just put them in a death cage match, Superman would win. Maybe if given some time to prepare, Batman would win. He did create the OMAC project to get rid of the meta humans in case something happened. He was paranoid basically. The OMAC project was very Matrix like, however, and turned on all the meta-humans. So I think Batman could kill Superman, given months and years of preparation, but his own brains would get him killed too, and Superman would just rise from the ashes, again.
To me it seems like many of you are not even up on current DCU storyline (as many commented how Clark can't get the girl)...so please catch up before you argue! I may not know all the exact details, but the OMAC project is a huge part of the current DCU story.

 

sabrejimmy

Feb 03, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: king

I was thinking more like giant robots and such

 

gunbard

Feb 04, 2007
1 convinced
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Batman lives with a boy and slides down poles. 'nuff said.

 

amqcw

Feb 05, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: willdesignforfood

I guess because he can do everything, he could beat Batman then, huh? Maybe we can all relate a little more to Batman, but this is about a physical fight.

 

tggdan3

Feb 07, 2007
1 convinced
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Superman saves the world, batman saves a city.

Superman can easily use lasers out of range of kryptomite.

Batman has no powers that no one else could do- just technology that anyone could use.

 

pinkrabbit

Mar 11, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Tempest Show

you say this as if it is a popularity contest, it isnt. sure batman is cooler but superman would kick his ass any day superman has superstrenght so it wouldnt even contest in be contest t in hand to hand combat and if batman pulled out some kryptonite all superman would have to do iis fly away and throw a big rock at him. and about being a homo batman hangs out with f**kin robin all day and makes him wear tights so i dont know whis gayre but i think supermans had some action with lois lane and hangs out with some hot chicks in smallvile while batman is sliding down poles with a boy in spandex so now whos gay.
i dont blame you thouh you probably forgot about robin whern you wrote taht down



 

mcmormon

Mar 13, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Tempest Show

"No-one likes Superman. His uniform is completely homosexual"
In Seduction Of the Innocent the book against comics leveled it homosexual beam at two people Batman and Robin if looking gay is bad what is being gay

"Hes almost like a Nazi propaganda figure. 'Arians can fly, shoot lazers from their eyes and are indestructable. Deutschland!'"
Batman and superman are both modeled after the same bodytype and it isnt arian, its sothern german dark hair not blond. also during WWII both charicters were on a massive stop the Japanazis campaign with all batman and Superman comics running that on their covers

 

mcmormon

Mar 13, 2007
1 convinced
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Everyone here seems to think Batman=genius Superman=retard but it just aint so. Let us referr to the archives Action Comics Issue #1 The first copy of a superman Comic It says Superman posseses Super strength, Super Speed and Super Intelect not Super Mental Retardation, if your going to say people always almost beat superman its to make stories interesting no one would read about how superman beat all the villans in the world in two frames. Batman also always almost looses too so if almost loosing is a sign of retardation booth charicters are retarded moot point.

 

mcmormon

Mar 13, 2007
1 convinced
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Alright everyone who thinks batman is suave and Superman is Geeky lets look to the enemies On superman's side we have megalomaniacs and scientists and rich people, on Batmans side we have pupets, toymakers, clowns, and every once in a while a scarecrow. whos dorkier now the guy fighting with childrens playthings or the guy disarming Nukes?

 

hera

Jun 13, 2007
1 convinced
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Superman would completely decimate any Superhero ever invented, including The Caped Crusader Batman. Superman is an alien from the Planet Krypton and therefore when on the planet earth he is endowed with Superpowers. Batman on the other hand is a mere mortal man in a black shiny plastic batsuit. Superman is very nearly indestructible.
Superman's powers are formidable to say the least, among them are:
Super-strength, Super-speed and flight, Invulnerability, X-Ray Vision, Super-Hearing, Super-breath, Super-intellect.
The man can fly into outer space for goodness sake!
Batman is an ordinary man who has decided to fight crime with gadgets that he has created. He is the every-man, the average man, and the man with the best toys. While his intentions are noble, he could never withstand the awesome power of Superman. In fact if Batman were to stumble upon Superman and begin to fight him without his magical suit on, he would be squashed like a bug in a microsecond. Even if the fight were planned in a battle royal at Madison Square Gardens and Batman trained for the occasion for ten years he would still fail. Batman is no match for Superman by any stretch of the imagination. There is no contest, in a fight Superman would immerge victorious. As for Batman, failure is imminent.

 

juggernaut

Aug 01, 2007
5 convinced
Rebuttal
Superman has super strength, super speed, super stamina, can fly, ect. Batman is a normal person in a supersuit.


 

warde004

Jan 29, 2008
0 convinced
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Superman was born with his powers,Batman wasn't still superman would kick his ass.

 

crazychic17

Feb 27, 2008
0 convinced
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Superman has a hot bod and could lift me off my feet and take me away :)

 

superman4ever

May 12, 2008
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: king Show

every other villain has had kryptonite pretty much and they all got their ass kicked

 

dyaisura

Jun 09, 2008
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Tempest Show

This is the #1 best thing i have ever read on the internet. And i am not exaggerating.

 

soccermom

Oct 18, 2008
0 convinced
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I'm suprised that Superman is behind in this contest. I mean just think about it. First, Superman is so bad that he doesn't even need a mask to conceal his identity. Second, he can reverse time by flying around the world! Reverse time! And third, he's self-sufficient. He doesn't need a side kick; doesn't need a tool belt; doesn't need a butler. All he needs is a skin tight lycra suit with a cape and he's ready to jump into action.

 

wildtripz

Oct 19, 2008
0 convinced
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Supes beats Batman every time. While Batman does carry Kryptonite, Superman doesn't need to get close to take the win. With the powers to shoot lasers from his eyes, toss around huge amounts of weight without breaking a sweat, and possibly even his ice breath, Superman can take this battle out from a distance easy.

 

wildtripz

Oct 19, 2008
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: trikestealer Show

Yes, Batman is a better hero, and he is also a hell of a lot cooler.

But this isn't about character. It's about a fight.

In which case, if he uses only his powers he can use at a distance, Superman wins. If he gets close enough for Batman's Kryptonite to work, he deserves to lose.

 

colbystaples

Mar 21, 2009
0 convinced
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okay, I am a huge Superman fan and completely hate batman (notice i wont even capitalize his name) but the batman side does have a point. Superman may be impervious to almost anything. But he is defenseless against a green glowing gem. batman however isn't indestructable in any way, he's a rich guy who dresses in a full body suit, that has little faggot ear things on top. I know, i know, Superman doesn't have the "coolest" outfit ever but he's still nasty ass hell. Plus , im just sayin', but couldn't Superman just pull a tree, or a large pipe and beat the sh*t out of batman with it??

Im sticking with Superman.

 
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Batman only needs a belt, with kryptonite attached



king

Jan 11, 2007
10 convinced
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It may sound crazy, but I think Batman would win. Lex Luther gets close, and he's a bald old man. Superman has every power in the world, but for some reason spends most of his time in comics and the movies getting his ass kicked for three fourths of the time, and then pulling off some mircale in the end.

For instnace, a fight with a giant octopus. After punching it for a long time, and getting tossed around, and beat up, it takes him a while to realize..hey I have lasers in my eyes.

Batman's fights have the same outcome. Scare the crap out of them, and kick ass from step A-Z. He never even gets touched.

Plus al he needs to do is bring a little Kryptonite, and superman will start crying.



 

Tempest

Jan 14, 2007
18 convinced
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Lets be honest... No-one likes Superman. His uniform is completely homosexual and his character is bland. He can do cool things, but he himslf is not cool - which is all-round not cool at all.

Hes almost like a Nazi propaganda figure. 'Arians can fly, shoot lazers from their eyes and are indestructable. Deutschland!'

Batman on the other hand is a badass goodguy. His batmobile probably kicks out 3000 Bhp. He knows ninjitsu, and he probably smokes weed in his batcave jamming to Jimi Hendrix.



 

king

Jan 19, 2007
2 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Wilbur

This is about the fact that yes, Superman has laserbeam eyes, and yes, those laserbeam eyes would cut Batman in half.

Yes, he has laserbeam eyes, but too much of a wuss to use them. He needs to learn some martial arts.



 

incrediblybuilt

Jan 31, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Jordan

Superman gave Batman a kryptonite ring, so its realistic that he would use that in the fight.

 

aximusoo

Feb 01, 2007
6 convinced
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Batman is certainly cooler, by orders of magnitude, over Superman. Come on, compare Clark Kent to Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne: handsome rich dude who can have any woman he wants. Clark Kent: Nerdy newspaper man who can't get the balls enough to ask out Lois Lane. As far a superhero uniforms go, Batman's dark contemporary look trumps Superman's dated leotard get up. So as far a style goes, Batman has it all over Superman. Chicks dig the Bat.

But putting aside style, here's the thing. Superman has as huge and exploitable vulnerability that does matter in this argument. Batman would have Kryptonite and would use it to render Superman a mere mortal. Then, mano-a-mano - Bruce Wayne v. Clark Kent - Batman kick his arse, and take his girl.

 

thepunisher

Feb 01, 2007
0 convinced
Rebuttal
just cause of the kriptonite , nothing else , without that superman would own batmans ass

 

ipster90

Feb 01, 2007
0 convinced
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Clark Kent is a nerdy newspaper writer by day, but Batman is a suave multi-millionaire who always gets the girl. Let's face it, Lois is with Clark for mercy. Like Napoleon Dynamite and Trisha.

 

3rdlace

Feb 01, 2007
0 convinced
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Batman can easily get his hands on some kryptonite, so he could just use that against Superman, and win the battle. Sure, Superman could crush Batman with a large object, but could he lift a train when a shiny radioactive green stone is making him weak? Didn't think so...

 

monkee

Feb 01, 2007
2 convinced
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It's all a matter of preperation. If Superman didn't know that Batman had it out for him, Batman could plan a trap that Superman would fall into. Even if Superman did know that Batman was a foe, as long as Batman had sufficient time to prepare, he could win. Due to Batman's extensive research, he knows all of Superman's weaknesses. This not only includes Kryptonite, but certain forms of mental manipulation/control and magic as well. With Bruce Wayne's resources, if Batman had enough time to prepare, he could pull together all of the necessary componants for Superman's downfall.

 

bitterkitten

Feb 01, 2007
0 convinced
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It's not crazy, according to Frank Miller and his Dark Knight Returns / Strikes Back stories. If you have not read these, they explain how Batman hands Superman's ass to him.

Not unaided of course - the point is that Batman uses his brain and not pure brawn in order to whup Clark, who's problem, Batman repeatedly states, is that he just rushes into situations assuming his powers will take care of everything.



 

soso

Feb 01, 2007
2 convinced
Rebuttal
Just have one thing to say : Superman is not one of us! He is an alien!!! We are proud of our terrestrial human Batman !! Whoever supports and loves Superman is betraying us. Anybody who is from Krypton would have had some unexpected powers on Earth, so in conclusion, Superman is not that extraordinary!

 

dxnighthawk

Feb 01, 2007
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Even though I'm a Superman fan, I'd say Batman is better. Even though Superman has no dark side, and some parts of Batman do, he's the better one of the two. Batman has no super powers or anything at all. He's just this normal human being fighting treacherous villains and mega battles with nothing more than his own gadgets and elements from the surroundings. And there hasn't been much incidents of him landing in a mess, probably because he has no weakness. Superman's this guy with all the super powers in the world, but he still lands into trouble thanks to the kryptonite.

 

passionfruit

Feb 01, 2007
1 convinced
Rebuttal
Batman wins hands down, I mean sure, Superman's a good guy, but he's just to good! To the point where he seems geeky and weak, Batman on the other hand has this dark mysterious side that gives him the edge.

Superman can run really fast, fly, see through walls, heat vision, and super strength. He's a fairly limited fellow, ok so his only weakness is a space rock, but come on. His arch enemy is a rich bald man, where as Batman's arch nemesis is a psychotic clown and his entire band of circus freaks.

Batman may be a human, but he's filthy, stinking, rich, the man can buy ANYTHING he wants. Plus when the costumes off Bruce Wayne is a suave, debonair, playboy who gets all the ladies and lives in a mansion with people doing whatever he'd like.

When Superman's very flamboyant costume is removed he's the nerdy reporter Clark Kent who lives on a farm with his parents. He can barely get the sassy Lois Lane to take a look his way.

Batman has The Bat Cave to do everything he needs to.

Superman has telephone booths, which now days are pretty obsolete.

Superman is like every other super hero, some poor freak who can't get a girl and is doing charity work with his generic powers and living with his family.

Batman is a rich guy who can buy any power he wants and lives on his own in a mansion with every woman at his whim. If Bruce Wayne really wanted to he could just go jump in some radioactive waste and become super.

 

rakker

Feb 01, 2007
1 convinced
Rebuttal
Remember, now, that Batman is more than just a man, even in comparison to Supes. Batman has transcended his humanity. The moment Bruce's parents were killed, so too was Bruce. It has been argued that Superman is the real man and Kent is the constructed identity, and I agree with that, but I contend that Bruce is also constructed. The millionaire playboy is an act, a mockery of humanity made to mask the terrifying darkness that is within. There is no Bruce, just as there is no Kent.

Batman is a nightmare. Villains are afraid of him. *Superheroes* are terrified of him. Batman has made secret plans that detail how to take down every hero. He is a thinker. A manipulator. We all agree that he's smarter, but seriously, guys, next to Batman, Superman is a bloody dunce. I mean when opens his mouth to talk, Batman feels the room around him get stupider.

In this sense there would be no fight. If Batman wanted to, the question is not *if* Batman would destroy Superman, it's *how.* Whether it's Kryptonite, Magic, or his loved ones, Superman's weaknesses dangle out in the open, ripe for manipulation. The god would be twisted, disassembled, and broken, emotionally and psychologically, with Batman never even coming into view.

 

alex813

Feb 01, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Wilbur

I went to GMU...funny, remember how they were competitive with the team that went on to be the NCAA champs? From where I stand, I think many were actually voting FOR GMU. But I suppose that is a different argument stream.

 

New User

Feb 01, 2007
2 convinced
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Batman's superiority is evidenced by one crucial point:

Superman lover Lois Lane: bookworm-ish reporter who is completely helpless and basically the definition of high maintenance.

Batman lovers (yes, plural!!) Catwoman, Silver St. Cloud, Wonder Woman: kick-ass chicks that are either equal rivals or allies to Batman and show off their ridiculous good looks in spandex whenever possible.

Need I mention that Batman even had a short stint with Lois Lane herself???

Basically, Batman romps all over Superman's ass in the lady department.

 

drgonzo

Feb 02, 2007
0 convinced
Rebuttal
superman is lame and a nerd, and so is his costume. And the movies looked like crap.

 

jl463

Feb 02, 2007
5 convinced
Rebuttal
This was settled in Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns where Batman ruins Superman.

 

ex0dus

Feb 02, 2007
0 convinced
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Hell, I give Batman props just for being one of the only humans to stand up against something. All us laszy bastards over here doing nothing waiting for someone else to come and use their super strength or speed. There are exceptions, such as Iron Man or the Hulk (or just Banner). Batman though, does have the IQ edge over Superman. He's always been a favorite of mine. Mystery. You never know what surprises he'd come prepared with. Kryptonite maybe, but definately not in his "this is going to kill him" arsenal. My plan would be to somehow block Superman off from the sun for a couple days. He gets his power from solar energy. Bruce is accustomed to the dark, has full strength in the dark (provided food and rest), and could recover much faster than Superman. Eventually it would be just a "man to man" battle of brute strength. I'm sure Bruce with all his martial arts could take him easily after that.

 

vegeton

Feb 02, 2007
1 convinced
Rebuttal
Batman has the kryptonite ring. END.

 

thetruth

Feb 02, 2007
0 convinced
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I already saw this on the WB, Batman won. It's in the books. The Dark Knight baby.

 

king

Feb 03, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: sabrejimmy

"Batman could never face the obstacles Superman encounters"

You mean like Lex Luther? Yeah, Batman doesn't worry too much about 65 year old bald millionaires kicking his ass all the time like Superman does.


 

thcipriani

Feb 03, 2007
1 convinced
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My argument is simple. Batman wins Superman looses. The loss, on Superman's part, is not because he is not stronger, fastser, and more agile than the dark knight; rather Superman's inevitable loss to Batman is as a direct result of Superman's stupidity.
Superman would have no enemy that could even compare if he weren't unbelievably stupid. He always seems to neglect the use of the one super-power that could get him out of whatever situation he's dimwittedly stumbled into. Beyond that there's Kryptonite. Kryptonite may be hard to get ahold of, but come on, Batman is a billionare! He could find it.
Furthermore, allow me to refer all of you to the graphic novel Batman: The Dark Knight Returns in which Batman kicks Superman's ass using strategy and then takes a dive and fakes his own death so that Superman will not come looking for him later.
My final point is the success of the Superhero's alter-egos. I think the only way to level a playing field for superheros is to look at how well they handle their private afairs. If we just take look at just Bruce Wayne vs. Clark Kent no one would side with Clark....he's a poindexter.
For all of these reasons (and many more) it is apparent to me that Batman beats Superman any day of the week.

 

cook

Feb 03, 2007
1 convinced
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Many of you pro superman guys are using the same "unarmed batman is worthless argument." Well yea. But you can't dismiss the dark knight's arsenal. Thats like saying me saying a powerless superman is worthless. Which he would be. Like superman''s powers, batman's intelligence and "utility belt" are an integral component of the character. So, with his specially chosen superman-defeating tools and his vastly superior intellect, batman comes out on top. Always.

 

winterbauval

Feb 03, 2007
1 convinced
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How many times have batman and superman gone head to head? Too many for me to remember, actually. How many times has Batman won these head to heads? Every. Single. Time.

Also, when Superman can't handle a situation and needs to be bailed out, who does he call every time? Batman. That's right folks, Batman has to come bail out the suposedly indestructable man.

 

vertigo

Feb 03, 2007
1 convinced
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EVERYONE CALM DOWN! This argument has already been settled. In "World's Finest" the cartoon series crossover the Joker goes to Metropolis and strikes a deal with Lex Luthor to kill Superman. He brings along a lot of kryptonite. Batman finds out because he found some small traces of kryptonite in something that the joker stole, and goes to metropolis to find the Joker. When he starts shaking down gangsters to find the Joker, Superman steps in because he won't allow vigilantes in his town. Batman punches him, and Superman makes some comment about Batman being stupid and hits him back. Then Batman whips out just a little bit of kryptonite that he found and Superman hits the ground, where then Batman says "Doesn't take much does it?"

Of course being the good guy, batman then explains what he's doing.

For those of you saying it's superman vs batman not batman + kryptonite, then that's stupid. Half of batman is his intelligence, preparation and his costume. Otherwise he's Bruce Wayne. It's like saying no one mentioned it being on earth, and on his home environment of krypton, then batman would still whup his ass because they will both only have human strength.

 

ravenlock

Feb 03, 2007
0 convinced
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Honestly, this has already been decided several times over. Not only in the comics (for example, Jeph Loeb's "Hush", or Frank Miller's "Dark Knight" comics), but more noteably in Bruce Timm and Paul Dini's excellent animated series.

Every single time Bruce and Kent face off, Batman wins. It's just the way it always plays out. Superman is a hell of a fighter, but Batman thinks 5 or 6 steps ahead of him every time.

One of my favorite moments of the animated series is when Batman comments that he's ALWAYS carried Kryptonite in his utility belt, "just in case." That's just the kind of guy Batman is.

 

somerandomhobo

Feb 03, 2007
0 convinced
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Batman's a freakin' ninja.

Superman's just a freak.

(Also, he looks kind of gay.)

 

cnote

Feb 03, 2007
0 convinced
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Batman's humanity is his greatest advantage over the alien super"man". He can out think superman taking into account all his "powers" and using them against him. Batman would fully exploit his surrounding environment to defeat superman, who has never developed a keen sense of situational awareness on account of being impervious to most physical harm. Do you really think Batman couldn't get some kyptonite? He could get you some Kryptonite, believe me there are ways, hell he could get you kryptonite by 3 o'clock this afternoon...with nail polish...dude

 

lorddaman

Feb 04, 2007
0 convinced
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Lets face fcats here:

Every single time hey have went up againt each other batman has won. From teh dark kinight returns, to the dark knight strikes back, to even when soem villian used batman's databse to take out teh entire JLA..

Plus you have to look at the differnces between teh two. Superman is the ulimte boy sscout. He's honest, caring, has a loving fmaily, and when you get down teh dula idnenty, he's clearly teh framboy fro kansas.



Now take Batman. he lies. he cheats. he is not above setting some huge trap for osmeone. he'll use every underhanded trick in teh book to win. He's the batman throgh and through. Bruce wayne only exists to hide his opertaions, but he's not bruce wayne. he's teh batman.


Take again teh dark knight returns that so mnay have brought up. He managed to set up a baby nuke to weaken spuerman, got the green arrow to shoot him with a kryponite arrow, and then got into som sort of exo skeleton and proocded to beat superman senceless,. he could have very easily killed superman, but instead used that as a reminder that Batman could beat him.


Suoperman may be strong and powerful, but he's not devious. Batman is, and he's proved time and time again he's got what it take sto take anyone out, including superman

 

wangsoda

Feb 04, 2007
0 convinced
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To me it's more about how they got their powers and how they fight. Superman might kick plenty of ass, but he's pretty much invincible and he doesn't really have to work hard in a fight.

Batman is a self made man. He makes all his gadgets himself, works out and trains to achieve his potential, and he doesn't even need powers!

 

willdesignforfood

Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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Come on now, everyone knows that Superman is the lamest super hero out there. Let's face it, the guy is nearly invincible. Who wants to watch/read about a super hero that has only one weakness; a glowing green rock, that only Lex Luther possesses, and it isn't even found naturally on Earth.

The guy can also seemingly do anything; including turning back time, bullet proof, freeze breath, laser eyes, can run faster than a speeding bullet, etc. Personally, I need a super hero that I can relate to. Which is Batman.

 

mistbane

Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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Giving both are comic super hero, the chance of winning a fight is largely base on where the author's will lies.
Therefore it is meaningless to discuss who will win in a fight :).

However, who would you rather be, will become the key point of this argument.

Superman, with all the abilities he has, most of the time he is a shy reporter with ordinary pay and a romance with a not so attractive fellow colleague. ( as matter of fact, his love life is contradict to his innate physique. )

On the other hand, Badman, while he is not being a superhero who has all the awesome gadgets, he is still Bruce Wayne, the rich and famous good-will-doing business tycoon.

Yes, physically he is no match to superman, but then again, he does have a far more interesting romance then Superman does.

Remeber, it is not only Superman vs. Batman, it is also Bruce Wayne vs. Kirk Kent.


 

shoomesh

Feb 20, 2007
0 convinced
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Frank Miller of Sin City fame made this exact matchup in his Dark Knight series. Batman, enlisting the aid of the Green Arrow manages to defeat Superman. How? Using a special suit which is powered by all of the electricity on Gotham he distracts Supes long enough for the Green Arrow to fire a kryptonite arrow into SUpes ribs. Then, turning on his gauntlets he chokes the sh*t out of Superman. At the verge of killingSuperman, Batman has a heart attack as he is like 60 in this series. I won't spoil the rest but there it is. Had he been younger, Batty would easily have taken out the clerkboy known as Superman.

 

trevelyan

Jun 09, 2007
0 convinced
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Heres how I see it...


Christian Bale's Batman vs Brandon Routh's Superman in a first ever Last man Standing Match.

The bell rings and the match is underway.
(1) Supes - Strikes Batman with laserbeam eyes.
(2) Bats - Rolls out of the way and trys to strikes Supes with a dropkick.
(3)Supes - grabs batman in midair and throws him into the ringpost.
(4) Bats - gets up and throws a Kryptonite bat-a-rang at supes.
(5) Supes - Dodges and uses his superspeed to ram the batman in the corner.Supes then begins to choke Batman in the corner.
(6)Bats - notices the Kryptonite bat-a-rang flying back towards them and keeps Supes attention on him.
(Kryptonite bat-a-rang stabs Superman in the back and Supes begins to weaken)
(7) Bats - Bat-punches superman the sh*t out of Superman and pulls the bat-a-rang out and stabs him again this time breaking of the end , thus leaving a hugh chunk of Kryptonite in supes back.
(8) Lex Luthor appears out of nowhere with a steel Chair and hits superman in the head.
(10) Batman then bat-kicks lex and ties him up to the Ringpost. The makes a cell-phone call...Minutes later Alfed rolls up in a pepsi truck and opens the back which contains a Kryptonite cage. Alfred & batman throw supes in the cage and take out the remaining Kryptonite in his back and Alfred drives aways bring the weakened Superman back to the Batcave where he will remain forever locked in his
Kryptonite cage.
(11) Batman hands overLex to the police and Ref sounds the bell, making Batman The World Heavyweight Superhero Champion.



 

rubberducky

Jul 17, 2007
1 convinced
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ok peaple listen up im a huge batman fan and ill tell you y batman is better than superman.first off Batman isent afraid of a green glowing rock last time i checked batman has krytonite in his cave the only thing he would have to do is just show it to superman and superman wont even touch him.Secondly batman can be past down from generation to generation superman cant.Thirdly and my personal favorit superman has laser eyes bullet speed, man of steel,icey breath i mean come on they over did him batman on the other hand has now powers what so ever and he still gets the job done thats a REAL superhero

 

avihs04

Sep 19, 2007
0 convinced
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It's all about attitude to win....... Batsy would beat the crap outta supes... one way or another.

 

trikestealer

Mar 12, 2008
0 convinced
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Batman is just the best hands down. He also makes for a better hero because he as more weaknesses then superman who is practically invincible. I mean create a hero that as more struggles and as more weaknesses it makes for a better story. It is silly to watch or read Superman because he will just walk through anything, which is ridiculous.

 

trikestealer

Mar 12, 2008
0 convinced
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Batman is just the best hands down. He also makes for a better hero because he as more weaknesses then superman who is practically invincible. I mean create a hero that as more struggles and as more weaknesses it makes for a better story. It is silly to watch or read Superman because he will just walk through anything, which is ridiculous.

 

trikestealer

Mar 12, 2008
0 convinced
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Batman is just the best hands down. He also makes for a better hero because he as more weaknesses then superman who is practically invincible. I mean create a hero that as more struggles and as more weaknesses it makes for a better story. It is silly to watch or read Superman because he will just walk through anything, which is ridiculous.

 

george

May 11, 2008
1 convinced
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Come on! Batman knows all the weaknesses of the entire Justice league itself!!! Superman is just a pawn, The Martian Manhunter vs Batman, now that would be cool!

 

superman4ever

May 12, 2008
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: ekiosity Show

all superman has to do 2 ur cousin is flick him and he is dead

 

excusemewtfrudoin

May 22, 2008
0 convinced
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Batman is always prepared and it has been revealed that he has gone through every possible scenario involving fighting another JLA member. Batman has already twice fought superman and won. Also Batman beat a god.

 

dyaisura

Jun 09, 2008
0 convinced
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Batman would win. A superhero is just someone who represents a particular society's values. Superman represents the values of strength, impossibility, and overcoming obstacles, which is good if youre on the highschool wrestling team. Where as Batman represents someone who does good just to do it, the value of warriorship in stealth, resourcefulness, and rebellion.
Batman would win in a fight because he would bring all those values into the fight. Superman is a stupid person who has an obvious weakness, like a cyclops. If superman is a cyclops, Batman is David (of David vs goliath) with a slingshot aimed at the eye this time.



 

truehero

Jul 11, 2008
0 convinced
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Batman would win if the fight was prearranged and batman had time to prepare he could make something that would destroy superman most likely useing kryptinite,but if it was spontanise superman would crush batman without breaking a sweat.

 

apollo003

Aug 30, 2008
0 convinced
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Batman is better.. Superman has powers but Batman would still find a way to beat him.. He actually has twice.. Batman could beat anyone in the Justice League.. Plus Batman is way cooler.. He stands for so much more than Superman.. Batman has gone through so much in his life and still comes out stronger every time.. Plus Batman isnt a hero because he wants to be but because he needs to be.

 

f145h

Nov 21, 2008
0 convinced
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Here's some food for thought!
Superman: Super hero with almost every power, still has hard time doing anything. Obviously because of need for plot. What I'm trying to say is he is also extremely lame if he needs all those powers and is still not able to blow the competition out of the water
Batman: Everything a man should be. Practically a messiah of all heroes. My personal Jesus.

 

ricardo

Feb 04, 2010
0 convinced
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Let's face in a real fight with just actors Batman will win i mean the acotr actually have muscles i mean not stuffing pillow acting like they're tough batman makes sense he uses high technology unlike in superman he flies and shoot laysers out og his eyes a realy hero uh?

 

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